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{"id":2114,"date":"2012-04-17T21:09:00","date_gmt":"2012-04-17T19:09:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/?p=2114"},"modified":"2023-06-26T21:09:17","modified_gmt":"2023-06-26T19:09:17","slug":"a-modest-proposal-debate-arguments-not-motives","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/blog\/2012\/04\/17\/a-modest-proposal-debate-arguments-not-motives\/","title":{"rendered":"A modest proposal: debate arguments, not motives"},"content":{"rendered":"

Accusing the other side in a debate of a hidden agenda never gets us anywhere. \u00a0So let’s just not.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

In the Israel\/Palestine debate, there’s a trap that both sides fall into, repeatedly \u2013 and I’m no exception \u2013 which makes it more of a mud-slinging event than a discussion. \u00a0In a nutshell, the trap is claiming the other side has a hidden agenda.<\/em><\/p>\n

I propose we all try to avoid this trap, for everyone’s sake. \u00a0To make that possible, let’s take a quick look at what<\/em> it is, and how<\/em> to avoid it.<\/p>\n

The ‘what’<\/em><\/h3>\n

The trap takes many forms.<\/strong> \u00a0A typical way it looks when me and other lefties fall into it is “you’re only saying that to distract from the occupation and help Israel maintain it.” \u00a0A typical right-wing version is “you’re only saying that to de-legitimize Israel and lead to its destruction.”<\/p>\n

It may be right, or they may actually believe what they’re saying. \u00a0Either way, what it does to the debate is to change the subject. \u00a0Worse still, it’s an attack on the person you’re debating, which puts them on the defensive, and that’s usually enough to make sure they won’t change their mind even a tiny bit. \u00a0In the end, we all get angry and shit all over each other and nobody’s any wiser for it.<\/p>\n

The ‘how’<\/em><\/h3>\n

One way to avoid the trap is to just disengage when someone makes a dangerous claim. \u00a0Just say “okay, bye.” \u00a0I don’t believe in doing that, but it’s a way.<\/p>\n

Another way is to re-state your position and demand a response to it.<\/p>\n

Let’s say I claim there’s apartheid in the West Bank; let’s also say you think I’m wrong and that what I’m saying endangers human lives. \u00a0What you should do is explain why you think there isn’t apartheid, and\/or demand that I explain my outrageous claim. \u00a0There’s a chance I’ll change my mind, or at least that other people will learn to see things your way from watching the discussion unfold. \u00a0If you just call me a terrorist, I’ll think you’re crazy, and I’ll still believe \u2013\u00a0and tell people \u2013<\/em>\u00a0that there’s an apartheid regime on the West Bank.<\/p>\n

It’s the same the other way around. \u00a0Let’s say someone \u2013 call her Jane \u2013 attacks International Solidarity Movement activists, claiming they’re agents provocateurs and terrorists; let’s also say that you believe they’re truly working to make the world a better place. \u00a0Explain why you believe what they’re doing is good, and demand that Jane explain her accusation. \u00a0Don’t fall into the trap of accusing her of distracting from the point \u2013 even if what she’s doing is exactly falling into the trap. \u00a0Also don’t fall into the trap of defending their motivations. \u00a0Just focus on what’s actually going on.<\/p>\n

Now let’s say you posted something about some protest you support, and Jane fell into the trap, exactly like I just described. You can engage her, even though what she’s doing is counterproductive and distracts from your original point. \u00a0It’s still better than slinging mud right back at her. \u00a0Or you can just refuse to be side-tracked, explain (again) why you support the protest, and ask her if she has anything to say about the actual issue.<\/p>\n

Finally, you can always link to this post and ask the person you’re debating to read it. \u00a0It’s short, and here’s a shortlink you can use: http:\/\/wp.me\/p1gOTH-y6<\/a><\/p>\n

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Accusing the other side in a debate of a hidden agenda never gets us anywhere. So let’s just not.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[79,6],"tags":[223,476,42,75,475,582,82,83,190,120,187,127,315,236,161,231],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2114"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2114"}],"version-history":[{"count":22,"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2114\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2615,"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2114\/revisions\/2615"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2114"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2114"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.didyoulearnanything.net\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2114"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}